The Most Dangerous Man in America

Whattacrocko'crap! Anti-Christ? Surely, he'd have to get in line in back of James Dobson, Tony Snow, Dubya, Fallwell [It's less the Orwellian world we have been living for the past quarter-century that scares us, nearly so much as a Fallwellian one!], Pat Robertson, & the bible-thumping Trolls who regularly seek to sabotage this site [when-O-when will there be monitoring for this site, just like BBC?](Eddie Hughes, Gary Bryson, et al.)? There is an overabundance of candidates in the bibliolotry-practicing, literalistic cultic sectarians out there in quansit huts/storefronts/garages & assorted "worship centers" to chock the entrance to Hell and....MORE! There'll be many confused christians in hell, & the USA will lead the way in an endless line of whackos/kooks/premelinarian naysayers/dispensationalists/Bartonizers/charismatics/fundamentalists/etc. These possess nothing of religion, just religiosity & bad proselytizing.

Thank God for Barak Obama voting for healthcare as a priority, for trying to meet the needs of the less fortunate, for joining with Philadelphia & other cities to seek to stop the violence & killing by sueing the gun manufacturers, for voting citizenship over denizenship, for standing up against Alito & Roberts when he had the chance, for voting against the illegality of the so-called Patriot Act that "loopholes" for Renditions/Torture/etc. that we never had before.

It's not Islamofascists, as the ultraright tries to coin a term, that scare us nearly as much as the christofascists/christocrats cultic sectarian religious Right. No ethics: just the END justifies the MEANS, making Machiavellian practices pale in comparison. Sickos: an embarrassment to us all, but thankfully, their loudness & bad manners belies their numbers, not nearly as many as their barks; Yet, we must oppose them now, as they oppose Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln & sundry other patriots.

Saturday night, Oct. 19, 2006, the Philadelphia Free Library completely SoldOut its auditorium for Obama, and the tickets were so hot that they were being "bid up" out on the sidewalk at outrageous prices by people who could not get in to the ca. 700 seat auditorium: never happened before tho' many sellouts have occurred. He's doing something right, but I hardly follow 100% of his positions, just a majority.

As for tracing back the URL of the blogosphere poster & making his doom come true, good luck. The Internet entertains some of the worst out there, slandering as they go. No wonder Europe wants to deAmericanize the Net & have some rules for itself. This is NOT an unmixed blessing, this newfound technology.

We need help like his in saving this country from the religious Right: we thank him for his contributions.

Arden,

I pretty much agree with you and I'm a conservative Republican. I see Barak Obama as a candidate who stands for a strong America for tolerance is one of the greatest strengths of all. To me, Barak Obama, is a patriot and I definitely would support him for president.
BTW, that one website "Human Events" is the same one that Ann Coulter calls home. They back and support her so it isn't a real surprise when they come out with s**t like that about Senator Obama. I haven't heard of the other one and quite frankly don't care to. I will concede them their right to publish whatever opinions they might hold but I also have the right not to pay any attention to them.

Come on, Jesus Politics, get it straight. Bill, Hillary, Gore, Kerry, and Obama can't ALL be the Anti-Christ. Yet, all have been called such by the extreme wing of Fundamentalism.

Oh, they also pinned that label on JFK, b/c he was Catholic.

When will you stop?

Surely Jesus Politics has its tongue firmly planted in cheek when it says that Obama is the Anti-Christ.

Indeed. Wake up and smell the sarcasm. I can smell it perfectly clearly. I don't think Obama's the anti-christ, and I don't think Jesus Politics does either. The folks who do though, I can't help but wonder what they're thinking.

I think that any public figure that the fundamentalists don't like catches the antichrist label at one point or another.

When I was doing my time in the assemblies (rather reminds me of prison now)- I repeatedly heard references to the Pope as being the antichrist.

Now, it makes me wonder. They look so hard for the antichrist- maybe they are waiting to worship that individual (although it is my opinion that they will be waiting for a LONG time).

Considering the conservative/dominionist/fundamentalist mindset, it would make sense. They are so intent on a heirarchial, authoritarian, top-down system.

The conservative backlash against Barack is, IMO, very similar to the backlash against Hilary. The Right creates so much buzz about the Presidential potential of them, that suddenly Barack and Hilary are propelled into the national spotlight as Presidential potentials. For better or for worse, the Right's ability to create media buzz gives politicians a significant boost into the national spotlight.

The obvious problem with this is that Hilary has been dogged down with negative media for years and Barack is in the spotlight with hardly any political experience on the national level. Why can't progressives choose who they want to create buzz for, and then exersize some control over it?

I would certainly consider voting for Obama for president, but not until he's had more experience in national politics.

To answer John G's question about why progresseives can't choose who they want to create buzz for, and then exercise some control over it, I doubt that's likely, possible or even something to be desired. Just think might have happened if the religious right had been able to exercise control over the press back when Pat Robinson was running for president!

The closest thing to an anti-christ is G.W. Bush

How many times did God warned you, you hellbound simpletons that:
ABORTION is not a woman's choice-it is a murder of the 1st digree.
HOMOSEXULITY is not accepted as the secondary lifestyle-it is the abomination before the Lord Thy God.
Your church is a cult of abomination, and you indeed provoke Lord to His wraths on you. I will pray for you,you foolish people that God will deliver you from this filth you advocate. He truly loves you and doesn't want you that your demonic agendas will lead you to hell. Repent now!

Hi Jason

You wrote:

" How many times did God warned you, you hellbound simpletons that:
ABORTION is not a woman's choice-it is a murder of the 1st digree.
HOMOSEXULITY is not accepted as the secondary lifestyle-it is the abomination before the Lord Thy God.
Your church is a cult of abomination, and you indeed provoke Lord to His wraths on you. I will pray for you,you foolish people that God will deliver you from this filth you advocate. He truly loves you and doesn't want you that your demonic agendas will lead you to hell. Repent now!"

I noticed you left *some* sins off your "to be condemned" list. Obviously I can't demand that you list every offense to God, but where do you rank ignoring the needs of the poor, "accidentally" dropping bombs on children to conduct a war based on lies? Don't Republicans need to do some repentin as well?

your friend
Keith

Really? Do you know what the word sin means? What it means to repent? These words are thrown around like water out of a hose, but those who use them rarely have a clue to what they're talking about.

The best translation for sin is to make an error. Repent means to turn around (roughly).

We all sin. SO DO YOU. So you need to do some repenting as well.

I'd start with the sin of judgementalism. You don't know what I believe or practice- so you're passing a false judgment.

You don't know my relationship with Teyose (Our name for Jesus). So you also cannot say anything about that. If you do, you're falsely judging. Remember the scripture "Judge not, lest ye be judged. FOR THE JUDGEMENT YOU GIVE IS THE JUDGEMENT YOU RECEIVE." (Emphasis added)

And think about this- you can either draw people to God, or you can drive them away. People who come across like you just did tend to drive people away from God. Tell me, is that Godly, or is that Sinful???

It is "For God so LOVED the world", not "For God so JUDGED the world" (or from the way you sound, "For God so HATED the world").

Keith.. he also left out the other abominations-

Shaving
Wearing clothes made out of mixed fibers-(cotton/polyester blend???)
Working on Saturday
I've read that Hamburgers would also be an abomination.

And let us not forget:

Mistreating the poor
Charging usury

The "god" Keith appears to fear isn't worthy of worship, adoration, praise, honor, oblation, petition or thanksgiving and doesn't even deserve recognition as anything other than a petty, manipulative figment of the imaginations belonging to self-righteous, mean-spirited human beings.

Uh... it's Jason that I think you're referring to. Keith was quoting him.

Your right, Bob. I was talking about Jason and not about Keith and I hope he'll accept my apology.

I rather suspect Jason is one of those "individuals" who comes by, dumps a pile of hatred, and then moves on. We see that type every now and then.

They're sad and offensive, but provide good examples of why fundamentalism is so wrong.

You used word "poor" as the pawn. Truly you do not care for the poor as us true Christians do. For your termin "poor" means criminals, gays, abortionists, fascists, etc. Those groups in your beliefs are "the oppressed" who need special rights to ruin our falling apart nation. You are indeed a false Christians who mask yourselves as God's select. How many my fellows Christians wrote their critisisms against your cult? Many about 85%. You truly need Jesus and His moral principles not Liberal Democrats and lefty Republicans who forsake God and do evil agendas that God hates.
I do disagree with Kansas based Westboro Baptist Church led by Rev.Fred Phelps on their slogan" GOD HATES FAGS". God loves fags as sinners and He wants them to change and come to Christ. But homosexuality and gay rights He hates and will punish those who dare to legalize this. Gay acceptance as well as abortion doom nations.

Don't you all ever learn? If you just ignore Jason and co., then they don't have the opportunity to talk again. Lets focus on only talking to people who actually want to use this site.

Well done. I will not write you any longer,although I am not a troll. You are indeed blind and head toward hell and God's anger. Jesus once said to His apostles," If a blind leads the blind, they both will fall into the ditch" Like those evil pharesees were in His times blind leaders, so simpletons like you today. Only God may correct you, my task with you is over.

I've been blogging on this site off and on for about 2 years; the fundies never leave...unfortunately. Even if Jason has departed for sites that better reflect his thinking, he'll be replaced soon by one of his equally narrow-minded bretheren!

Hi cathie

"The "god" Keith appears to fear isn't worthy of worship, adoration, praise, honor, oblation, petition or thanksgiving and doesn't even deserve recognition as anything other than a petty, manipulative figment of the imaginations belonging to self-righteous, mean-spirited human beings".

I hope you were talking about Jason, not me,because I'm not sure what I said to rate your ire:-)

your friend
Keith

Keith -- YES, YES! I was wrong and Bob caught my error above. As soon as I read his post, I posted an apology to you. I'm sorry. I didn't mean you, I meant Jason!

I call it "hoof in mouth disease", and it leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, I've found, as well as an occasional case of "hoofatosis".

(We all do it).

At least we admit the error (and often joke about it). Others (I'm thinking of the fundamentalist pseudo prophets and trolls) tend to consider themselves infallible.

Cathie,

Earlier you mentioned generating media buzz. IMO we have a much more difficult time of it because we are not "newsworthy". We are not a gang of screaming zealots preaching damnation, hellfire, and brimstone. We do not carry large signs with long laundry lists of people that "God Is Angry At". Instead, most all of us prefer to find what we have in common with other groups rather than what the differences are. Ours is a spiritual journey not a march of conquest. Because of this, we get largely ignored by the mainstream media. Violence whether verbal or physical sells. Fear sells. We offer neither.
It's a shame that it is this way but until we, as a society, undergo a profoundly radical shift then the zealots will still generate "media buzz".

Frank, I agree that fear and violence sell, but don't you think it's interesting that we haven't heard much from Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson lately? I live in Virginia, practically in Brother Jerry's backyard and he hasn't said anything worthy of even local media coverage.

Barring more unfortunate gaffs by people like John Kerry, I think a Democratic take-over of both houses of Congress is very likely next Tuesday. The thing is, though, so many people will be voting ANTI-Republican rather than PRO-anything.

I think it would be a great idea for progressive Christian candidates to study Democrat Tim Kaine's successful campaign for the governorship of Virginia last year. Kaine was helped in part by the fact that his opponent, Jerry Kilgore campaigned so hard as pro-capital punishment that it appeared Kilgore was running for Executioner General instead of Governor. However, both Kaine and his predecessor, Democrat Mark Warner won their races by appealing to the large moderate middle. Kaine projected his deeply-held, Roman Catholic faith without beating anybody over the head with it.

I think that those two may be laying a bit low, after Ralph Reed was exposed (all of his connections with the Abramov scandal) so completely on PBS a week or two ago.

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Hi Cathie

About something you wrote:

"Barring more unfortunate gaffs by people like John Kerry, I think a Democratic take-over of both houses of Congress is very likely next Tuesday. The thing is, though, so many people will be voting ANTI-Republican rather than PRO-anything."

I share your hope, but there's something very sad about the whole "kerry gaff" episode. John Kerry screwed up a dumb joke where he was needling George Bush for being not all that intellectual and for getting us stuck in the quagmire of Iraq. But because he blew the *joke* the Republicans are demanding that he apologize to the troops when his comments weren't *about* the troops. Such silly things seem to be the SOP for political campaigns, but it is very disheartening that:

(a) Bush continues to press the point even though he knows he's misrepresenting what Kerry meant. Where I come from that's called "lying".

(b) the press is giving this story the time of day (actually two days so far). The press doesn't spend any time at all clarifying the real issues of the campaign--Iraq, the economy, the bankrupting of the country--but it spends two days on Kerry's proving how bad he is at delivering a joke, running the Republican spin points over and over like they were real news instead of a deparate attempt to change the subject away from the utter failure Cheney's administration has been.

I still think we'll probably do well next week (just like my St Louis Cardinals did in the World Series:-) but there's something wrong when the press covers trivia and the President lies about it.

Can yuo tell I'm a little bit irritated:-) Time for much prayer.

your friend
Keith

Oh, I got Kerry's joke all right, I just wish he had articulated it better.

Looks like this blog has now been archived and there's nothing new yet. Did anybody read the two entries from something called "Powerleveling"? If it's not the fundies driving is nuts, it's strange advertizers!

Oh, I got Kerry's joke all right, I just wish he had articulated it better.

Looks like this blog has now been archived and there's nothing new yet. Did anybody read the two entries from something called "Powerleveling"? If it's not the fundies driving us nuts, it's strange advertizers!

Yeah... I thought it was strange. There are also threads on the main page that are older than this one.

I think that what Kerry said was RIGHT ON TARGET.

Bob, Cathie, and Keith,

I think we're under some kind of cyber-assault. I just checked the talk2action site and the lead article has been porn-spammed. I knew the fundie thugs were getting desperate but I didn't think they'd try this yet.Well, it won't do them any good. Tuesday will see them take a serious hit.

I saw that too. It's about as dumb an attack as I've seen in a while- reminds me of some of the attacks I saw back in the early '90's.

The people would use different aliases and post stuff like we've seen repeatedly. On one site I remember, there was up to a dozen of these sorts of posts a day (back in the day when sites were called Special Interest Groups, not Blogs).

I'd bet it's coming from a fundie church. And, considering the topics, I'd consider that appropriate!

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Abortion is not a choice it is murder....
Homosexuality is not a life style it is a sin.....
So it is ok to change the laws so that my right to arms is gone!!! I think not!!
Humm How can a person be a Christian and say to tolorate murder, and sin!

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God does not exist... Like Santa and the Easter bunny. Why do people have to try and make fantasies like an all knowing, beneficent God, real, by using their messed up political views in a holier than thou rant about sin and moral corruption. I am just about sick of all of them. Makes me wish god existed so he could Rapture your asses out of dodge like in Star Trek. "Beam them up Scotty".

God does not exist... Like Santa and the Easter bunny. Why do people have to try and make fantasies like an all knowing, beneficent God, real, by using their messed up political views in a holier than thou rant about sin and moral corruption. I am just about sick of all of them. Makes me wish god existed so he could Rapture their asses out of dodge like in Star Trek. "Beam them up Scotty".

REGARDING:
Posted by: Arden C. Hander at October 26, 2006 01:22 PM

Arden,

I pretty much agree with you and I'm a conservative Republican. I see Barak Obama as a candidate who stands for a strong America for tolerance is one of the greatest strengths of all. To me, Barak Obama, is a patriot and I definitely would support him for president.

MY RESPONSE TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BLINDED:

The Bible predicts two one world leaders or Antichrists who will rule the entire world (Rev 13, Dan 7:8, 11, 23). One will be the main leader, or the Beast, while the other, the False Prophet, will perform miracles and force the world to worship the Beast and his Image.

Barack Obama and antichrist seem to flow well together. He posseses many of the characteristics depicted in the book of Relevations. He has middle-eastern descent, his name, "Barack", means "blessed", he is cunning, and is a powerful speaker. He has considered running for president in 2008. Nostradamus prophesized the name of the antichrist is "Mabus." This can relate to why Obama is the antichrist. If you write obama+bush, you end up with obamabush. Do you spot "mabus" in the middle?

OBAMA THE ANTICHRIST

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GEORGE W. BUSH THE ANTICHRIST

George W. Bush/WW3 The Rise of Antichrist
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GOD HELP US ALL

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As a progressive Christian it is often difficult to watch those who take the bully pulpit in the name of Christ but apparently forgot to bring Jesus along for their ride. Just recently I was lamenting why we couldn’t have one Christian leader at least appear sane, or at the very least not appear to be a blatant hypocrite. The stunning events of today should give all Christians a reason to pause and remember that we need to be ever so vigilant in who it is that we choose to follow.

Granted Pat Robertson has not exactly been too lucid lately with his claims that God told him that 2006 would be a disastrous hurricane season for the east coast only to see not one storm reach shore. Then this year he claimed God told him there would be a disastrous terrorist attack in late 2007. Mix in his ridiculous statements of God’s judgment through natural disasters and advocating the assassination of Hugo Chavez and hopefully most Christians would have long since realized that Pat was serving himself more than God. That aside, no one can discount the clout Robertson has in Christian circles.

For years we have had to listen to Robertson and his ilk berate Christians to only vote for two issues; anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion. That was it as far as people like Robertson were concerned. Budget woes impoverishing generations of people? Nope, doesn’t matter. Endless wars killing hundreds of thousands of God’s creations? Nope, doesn’t matter. Raping of the environment, pillaging our educational system, kids without healthcare, genocide in the Sudan? Nope, doesn’t matter. Christians were led to believe that the only issues that would matter to Jesus Himself, would be gay marriage and abortion. Never mind that the number one cause for Christ when He walked the earth was taking care of the neediest in society. Christians were admonished that they would in fact not even be good Christians if they did not vote for the candidates that represented these two values. Luckily for Pat and his cohorts in every election the candidate that represented these values was the republican. That all changed today.

Enter Rudy Giuliani. Rudy is the pseudo-Christian political operative’s worst nightmare. He is the republican candidate but he is the antithesis of everything they have preached for years. Rudy is twice divorced. Not only that, but while he was condemning Bill Clinton, Rudy was sleeping with his mistress, while still married to his second wife, with his kids sleeping down the hall. It gets worse for the Robertson’s of the world though. Rudy is pro-gay marriage and pro-choice. Mix in his ties to Bernard Kerik and the mob and you have a recipe for disaster. There is no way that Pat Robertson could cast his lot with Rudy…

Oops, he just did. Today, Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy Giuliani for president. After years of vociferously advocating that Christians only vote for the two Rovian wedge issues, Robertson shows us what he really has been all along, a liar.

He comes off as worse than a liar though because he did not have to make this choice. He could have waited and seen if it would have been Rudy against Hillary and played the “lesser of two evils card” but he didn’t. He chose Rudy in the primary over Dr. Ron Paul, John McCain, and Mike Huckaby. At least Paul, McCain and Huckaby are all pro-life and anti-gay marriage. Huckaby is actually a pastor! In choosing Rudy over these three men who embodied what he has preached for years, Robertson reveals himself for what he truly has been all along. Not only a liar, Pat Robertson has been nothing more than a political puppet and republican shill hiding behind Jesus Christ for far too long now. He is now exposed fully as an operative of the Republican Party, fooling Christians all the while.

Now I am sure this comes as little surprise to many outside of Christian circles. It certainly was no surprise to me. It is however an opportunity for Christians to reassess what their vote is supposed to mean. It can be so much more than the cynical two issue mandate which is designed to distract us from the other important issues of our times. Poverty should matter to Christians. Healthcare should matter to Christians. War and death should matter to Christians.

There is so much at stake in 2008. It deserves better than hypocritical men claiming the mantle of Christ but speaking out of both sides of their mouths. Pat Robertson is just a microcosm of what is wrong with the majority of the would-be Christian leaders today. They have embraced a political agenda over the agenda of Jesus Christ. That would be bad enough but they take it a step further to merge the two and claim that their political agenda is the agenda of Christ. Then they tell you as Christians that if you do not embrace it as well, then you are somehow not being a good Christian. We have been sold a bill of goods that we should have inspected closer. The Bible tells us we are to discern. It says that if the blind leads the blind they will both fall into a pit and into a pit we have fallen. With Pat Robertson shaking Rudy Giuliani’s hand and laughing all the way down. Jesus Christ deserves better than the hypocrisy of man.

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