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April 21, 2006
Calling All Fiscal Conservatives: If You Want to Stay the Course, Pay as You Go: Raise Taxes $10 Billion a Month for Iraq War
by Faithful Progressive
What a waste! There is so much that needs to be done in the U.S. and abroad, but instead our money has been wasted on a failed policy in Iraq and a lack of will to see the job though in Afghanistan . Here's my solution: put it to the voters. Let's have an up or down vote in the Congress on raising taxes 100 billion dollars to actually pay for these costs rather than sticking it to the next generation. Up or down: if you want to stay the course, pay as you go! Come on, fiscal conservatives, what do you say?
Unforeseen Spending on Materiel Pumps Up Iraq War Bill:
With the expected passage this spring of the largest emergency spending bill in history, annual war expenditures in Iraq will have nearly doubled since the U.S. invasion, as the military confronts the rapidly escalating cost of repairing, rebuilding and replacing equipment chewed up by three years of combat.
The cost of the war in U.S. fatalities has declined this year, but the cost in treasure continues to rise, from $48 billion in 2003 to $59 billion in 2004 to $81 billion in 2005 to an anticipated $94 billion in 2006, according to the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. The U.S. government is now spending nearly $10 billion a month in Iraq and Afghanistan, up from $8.2 billion a year ago, a new Congressional Research Service report found.
Annual war costs in Iraq are easily outpacing the $61 billion a year that the United States spent in Vietnam between 1964 and 1972, in today's dollars. The invasion's "shock and awe" of high-tech laser-guided bombs, cruise missiles and stealth aircraft has long faded, but the costs of even those early months are just coming into view as the military confronts equipment repair and rebuilding costs it has avoided and procurement costs it never expected.
"We did not predict early on that we would have the number of electronic jammers that we've got. We did not predict we'd have as many [heavily] armored vehicles that we have, nor did we have a good prediction about what our battle losses would be," Army Chief of Staff Peter J. Schoomaker recently told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Steven M. Kosiak, the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments' director of budget studies, said, "If you look at the earlier estimates of anticipated costs, this war is a lot more expensive than it should be, based on past conflicts."
Posted by Faithful Progressive at April 21, 2006 01:14 AM
Comments
Thank you! Fiscal responsibility is not a Republican strong point.
Posted by: JP at April 21, 2006 02:40 AM
Many of my friends talk of ex-patting to get away from the Bushes and their political allies. It I were to ever ex-pat, it would be if I had children, becuase I don't want them to be burdened by the oppressive debts my generation will be handing them.
Posted by: john g at April 21, 2006 04:37 PM
Thou shallt not steal. Taking something that dose not belong to you. Takeing some thing with out asking. Who said it is your Money about a million times? how can some one not yet born give permission to use their money. This debit is not building America. This debit is not feeding poor Americans. This debit is not justified by God, Christ or law. This debit is being used to kill people and make the rich richer. The biggest sin in history.
Posted by: Monte Schlarman at April 24, 2006 08:39 PM
It is an abomination for children unborn to indebted because of the foolish act of other people. I codemn this with all the strength in me
Posted by: miriam tsagli-yormesor at April 26, 2006 12:22 PM
As Sen Kent Conrad[D-SD] said on C-span this morning, "these are not your grandfather's Republicans." These are NO-Tax types with an agenda to stiffle {in the Archie Bunker sense} the future by overspending now on preemptive war & military adventurism so that the future will lack the resources for social programs & legitimate development initiatives, including education. It took 42 presidents & 224 years to do what BushieBoy has done in only 5 years. The requesting of "emergency spending" packages for Iraq operations which keeps that fiasco off-budget is how a weak-kneed Congress enables the continued mounting of $1 billion or more per week while everything else is pushed back or down or both. That deficit can only heighten now that the price of crude oil has doubled from it was under a year ago. How bad does it have to get for the average American to get it? But the ReligiousRight is still in lockstep since it is their "theology of war" & millinerian schema that drives them blindly in their ignorance, while Bushie is neither conservative nor christian! Where are we now? Exactly where the Germans were in 1933, & we should know and remember where that zenophobia led.
But before anyone thinks all it'd take is a "regime change" to correct this fiasco, think past that point, however good. Just look at N.J. & its budget crisis for a model: many are willing to move out of state over just a penney rise in the sales tax. Far too many Americans are fully Anti-Tax in ANY form, a matter which does not & HAS NOT served us well. The demise of the Social Contract is the culprit, with sheer ol' greed in its place: personal as well as corporate. This is not a legacy for any future.
Posted by: Arden at April 26, 2006 03:42 PM
Arden,
Maybe what we need is a new social contract. One that reinforces in the minds of the public that you pay taxes to improve the quality of your life. Something like universal health care would be great for politicians to unite around as a new social contract with the American people.
Also, it wouldn't hurt if politicians would jsut suck it up and reform campaign finance laws, lobbying laws, etc. Too many people are jaded by how much special interest money rules our country. Politicians need to actively work to clean up their own image.
Posted by: john g at April 26, 2006 04:09 PM
Indeed, a 'new' Social Contract is overdue and much in order! Easier said than done, however, since our first one was the trickle-down {!} from the Boston Transendtalists which would be undercut today the lack of or decline in sheer reading skills: Gawd 'elp 's! While I do not suggest any one thing as a cureall & many if not all of the items suggested are pressing needs, I do think that the rediscovery of a Social Contract would counteract the "me first" notion of most younger & far too many older citizens. And, yes, the lack of universal healthcare puts this country into the same company as South Africa: this should have been solved long ago. "Praying" for one's neighbor & "preying on" one's neighbor are hardly the same thing, to do credit to a very old but appropriate joke.
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Posted by: Arden at April 26, 2006 04:43 PM
Medical cost is the best kept secerit in the world I bet if we was to take highest cost government provided medical in the world our medical cost would be ten times higher
Posted by: Monte Schlarman at April 26, 2006 07:35 PM
Monte, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. I think you're saying that if we switch to national health care, then the cost will becoem ten times higher?
I think that is quite false. Not only is the overall cost of care in Europe, Canada, and Japan significantly lower than in the US, but so is overal customer satisfaction. Even cost of care under Medicare is lower than private insurance in the US. The things that drive our cost up significantly include insurance company buerocracy, where fighting over which company will pay and other internal delays waste tons of time and therefor generate higher bill, and uninsured Americans who can't afford insurance and need help using emergency rooms as their primary care facilities. When this happens, taxpayers foot the bill for emergency room care, which is very expensive on its own, but this is even more illogical for our system: preventative care before the ER becomes necessary would be much cheaper, but the uninsured can't afford it, and Americans would rather pay more to foot ER bills than the cheaper preventative care under universal health care.
Posted by: john g at April 27, 2006 03:59 PM
A large nation that continually hands out money like candy on halloween will eventually fall (USA and Canada)!
While powerhouse China could care less about "liberating" and continues to make a boat load of money.. daily.. off of us, no less!
But even though everyone on this website bashes Bush and the conservatives (and righfully so, sometimes) There is more to it, then that.
We all like our dollar store items, are cheap gas, foreign cars, e.t.c!
The people of North America like self- gratification and they like it quick!! gimme, gimme, gimme!! If I can't have it now then i'll put it on my credit card and pay for it later.. if i can't afford it then i'll declare bankruptcy!
We all act like the government we all so easily hate!! We can only start with ourselves and hope the government follows..
Car pooling, walking, riding bikes, utilizing public transit.. then the multi trillion dollar oil companys will be out looking for other losers to suck dry!
But until we're all willing to do that.. please, think about what you're saying.. and who's driving these politicians chariots!
Posted by: Jeff at April 27, 2006 05:46 PM
Wow. This whole article is predicated on the irreoneous notion that raising taxes creates an overall net increase in federal revenue. That's a notion that's easily disproved by history, not to mention common sence.
Good work guys. You never fail to amuse me.
Posted by: The Joker at April 28, 2006 02:01 AM
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Posted by: The Joker corrects his spelling at April 28, 2006 02:04 AM
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006813
Yes, and as this story tells, we can see just how appreciated Canada's universal health care system is.
Not to mention that, as we all know, the Federal Government is probably THE single most inefficient way to do, wel, pretty much just about anything.
I've HAD US Federal run health care before (TRICARE, if you must know), and I can honestly say that if I could've afforded it, I would have gone and spent the money out of pocket for what needed to be done, EVERYTIME. Most of the doctors we had were at the bottom of their class, and didn't care if they did their job properly or not, they got paid anyway, not based on what they found or what they did. All they had to do was show up.
My knees will be hurting for the rest of my life (and I'm 24 as I type this), and it's all because a Federally paid doctor didn't want to do some extra tests to make sure.
As a final note: Do you really want the same type of people (Federal project overseers) that are in charge of maintaining the roads, in charge of maintaining your health care system?
Posted by: AbNo at April 28, 2006 05:34 PM










