Why Christians Should Support Stem Cell Research

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WHY CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT DO ANY OF THE ABOVE.

Seeing that for most of Church history have said that (using phrases from the Book of Job about being known before the foundations of the World and other things some Christians forget) that the unborn stages of life are still human; there is another reason still. You're listings have been outdated since about 1968, when ADULT stem cells starting doing what proponents of Embryonic Stem Cells claim and still can't show results: Actually cure or treat. You're almost 40 years behind the times, regardless of what PC mags like Scientific American claim. Also very inconvenient here is that ESCs show little promise with each passing month--they are clunkers, while Adult Stem Cells are marching on to be 64 bit computers by analogy. Adult Stem cells now regularly treat over 80 illness on a routine basis.

Real PROGRESS for the Christian community? No doubt you need to get more facts lines up before advocating ripping human embryos apart based on false science reporting and media hype. If ESCs were so grand we have to also ask why there are only a few researchers involved who'll defend the notion with their own bucks rather than BEG like doggies for Federal funds. If Federal funds are truly required, after all, they can't be worth much. Ron Reagan's advocacy or not. Private investors should be flocking to ESC. Alas they are not.

http://www.fumento.com/sustemcell.html

-WT

Maybe if there was a god, it would matter if we destroyed embryos. But as there isn't, the situation comes down to two alternatives:
1) millions of people die of cancer and other illnesses
2) there is hope to cure these illnesses, and most of them have a good chance of being cured eventually.

Destroying an embryo is not destroying a human life. It is just a bunch of cells.

Face the facts. Stop fearing change. Lay off the homophobia. ELECT A DECENT GOVERNMENT.

Have a nice day

When did this become a penis discussion? Did anyone of you leaving comments actually read the entry? If you did you may have realized how foolish your comments are, and how YOU are no different then the hatefull right wing zealots who's ignorance you find to be so distastefull. I respect what this group is doing, and I'm ashamed that fellow enemies of the Christian right have been so ignorant in mocking a thoughtful and intelligent forum because of their professed faith and creed. GROW UP and learn to read before passing judgement. You are an embarresment and a discrace to yourselves and the communities you represent.

For the Christian Aliiance for Progress: I respect what you are doing, and I find it to be a worthy casuse. I do not share your faith, however I share your cause in fighting ignorance, and disassociating ignorance and hostility toward science from Christianity.

Um ahem...

Bush vetos "SCIENCE"--NOT! Let's try this again for those interested in "Christian Progress", or any other for that matter....

Not that a roll call or vote was even necessary. It wasn't. It simply doesn't matter at all. Stem cells of all types are neither banned Federally, locally, or from private funds in any sense of the word. The ones derived from hacking apart human embryos are merely restricted to certain pre-existing strains if they want continued Federal funding. That's it. Private funding is still available. Promoters of the Embryonic version of these (the ones that rip human life apart) have always tried to confuse this issue by ignoring rapid advances in the far-superior adult version while downplaying the numerous difficulties with ESC and claming they merely need more time to make superman walk again and other miracles. ASCs by contrast are already easier to work with, easier to grow and extract and routinely treat over 80 diseases and maladies. ESC promoters (mostly liberals with an ideological agenda) mock these known abilities as being the Right's "faith based science", or an outright attack on science, or ignore/downplay this and think this is a case of Galileo vs. the Church all over again. They have blamed the lack of results from ESCs on their perceived foes, as peddlers of junk science always do, but they are wrong nonetheless and have little to show for their research but a bucket waiting for Federal handouts.

It is hard to pin down for certain, but perhaps the other reason the Left is placing all the cards in the eternal hope of Embryonic Stem cells has to do with the issue of abortion. More than one columnist has commented on how stem cells culled from ripped up blastocysts might soften the growing public queasiness over abortion and thus in itself be a boon for "reproductive rights", etc, etc. Anna Quindlen in particular relishes this line of thinking in her Newsweek columns. If you can rip apart the smallest parts of human life, all else is just academic, seems to be her thinking here.

It is true that many of us have deep ethical concerns about using human embryos for ESC harvesting. That issue stands on its own, and this concern reaches to secular ethicists as well as religious conservatives and the Church. But the scientific debate over ESC (Embryonic Stem Cells) vs. ASC (ADULT version of Stem Cells) has nothing to do with Right Wingness, opposition to abortion per se, "fringe science", or theocracy or any other bugaboos----but mostly it is about true science. Unless maybe I utter the following very true statement: Let no man boast of the Morrow--says the Preacher of Ecclesiastes. OK. Fine. That's theocratic, I guess.

It's hard to make an ABSOLUTE statement about the potential of ANY research except to see where the money is pulling from. I am not in the game of Absolutes---as far as the material realm. Except maybe for one, regarding relative comfort, if trends continue. And that is that if you have a choice between using your bare fist to pound nails or a hammer, the hammer should get the job. If you have a choice between a 64-bit supercomputer and a 1940s era E.N.I.A.C. punchcard clunker, don't use the clunker to analyze up-to-the-minute stock performance. So it is analogous to ESC vs. ACS. In all the above examples the job will eventually get done regardless of the technique. But some techniques don't wear on flesh or patience as much.
The problem with Federal funding for the ESC version of stem cells is that these are the E.N.I.A.C clunkers. ASCs are the supercomputers.
Thus they avoid all controversy together.

As to the research issue, I think most honest people are suspect about ESCs needing a socialistically enhanced Federal "boost" to play a game of "catch up" with the progress of ASCs. But as with other commodities like TVs, energy, radios, CDs vs. vinyl, the public figures out the best route, not government funding or those who advocate such. There is no reason to think that as earlier entrepreneurs changed the world of industry and science without copying modern day Sweden or Laos in government funding of special projects to get shoes to people, so we should not doubt the market getting lifesaving material to us. We don't go to the People's World Revolutionary Computer store or car store to get Microsoft XP updates and parts for Ford's, do we? Maybe just in California or New JAWSEY, where ESC promoters loudly proclaim that "democracy(!)" and "not theocracy(?)" reign supreme, where school crossing guards make better pensions than telecom or steelworkers, and where the government-heavy economy resembles Irish Welfare. Or France. Meanwhile, back in the world of true "progressivism", actual treatment of illness is being done with the help of Adult Stem Cells. And has been for over a decade. In a stunning reversal of fortune that is fortunate, this trendy trend is one Californication did not start. If the market and clever investors "banking on the future of science" are not tripping over themselves to support ESC, why in Sam Hill should the Feds?!

Earlier this year on another site someone wrote that researchers "don't spend oodles of time and effort and projects unlikely to get results."
OH YES they DO--if big bucks are involved. It happens all the time.

Are ESCs then utterly worthless? I would not go quite that far. After all, it is now revealed that Isaac Newton piddled around with Alchemy and other mystic pseudosciences in addition to the great Principia, the latter being recognized as the greatest contribution to science in all of the English Language is not the world and all cultures. I'll admit that in its day both astrology and alchemy had roots in a genuine desire to understand the natural world and today we call these astronomy and physics, respectively.

What I WOULD say is that given the ability to use something that shows all the promise of ESCs without either the headaches or the controversy OR the suspect abilities is worth more to us as a society. A society that casts aside over 2000 years of ethical prowess to play politics over living embryos is suspect in and of itself. No--strike that. DANGEROUS.

Now that ASCs have demonstrated all the abilities of cell differentiation, the excuses are wearing thin for not forging ahead almost exclusively.

Embryonic stem cell propagandists enjoy saying things like "adult stem cell research had a huge head start!" and "embryonic stem cells only need time" (well---and more importantly, massive government funding) to "catch up". As they've "only" been isolated for 7 years, etc. Or that a massive "ban" on ESC is in effect here in the U.S.

Both claims are false but actually not at issue. Just red herrings, and lies, in and of themselves.

As a new book called The Proteus Effect points out, both types of stem cell research date back 50 years. You'd think that one of the chief proponents of ESC research, a Professor of Medicine Jerome Groopman, would know this since his contribution is a review of the book. Research with embryonic stem cells has progressed at a slower pace simply because they are difficult to work with.
It's like trying to rewire your kitchen using gloves and having bulky appliances in the way. Not very economical even if promising later on--when all you had to do was throw the circuit breaker to cook the dinner.

Catherine Verfaillie (University of Minnesota) was the first to discover ASCs that appear to have the potential to become all cell types. Thus the ONE last pitch point for ESCs about being "able to differentiate" unlike "all others" is now shot. ASCs can do the same thing for less sweat and tears and money.

Ironically, some of the very diseases he says embryonic stem cells may conquer have long been treated with adult stem cells. Groopman specifically mentions Fanconi's Anemia, but it was first treated with umbilical cord stem cells 16 years ago.

The only possible advantage of embryonic stem cells is always potential. Well shucks--if we as individuals had this kind of everlasting hope we'd never want or worry at all---now would we?

Here's more Groopman-styled Groop gloop: "It's well established that embryonic stem cells can generate any kind of tissue found in the body," Atlantic Monthly's Chris Mooney writes. And then, "There is no disagreement among experts about the capacity of (ESCs) to form any and all cells and tissues of the body," Groopman declares. Translation: Disagree with Groopman and you're a goof. Don't pony up the Federal money? You're a hack AND a goofus. Hmmm. No group crowing for funds ever says that, do they?

The problem is that ASCs apparently have the ability to do just the same kinds of things (like cellular differentiation) that ESC advocates crow about endlessly as something only ESCs can do. This is not theory, conjecture, or guesswork. Or faith. It is fact. Regardless of Chris Mooney's prolific articles, or little Ronnie Reagan's cheapjack political stunt on the grave of his father----a man who'd have asked the same questions I do, like "well little Ronnie, if ESCs are so grand why doesn't the free market pony up the big bucks?" Hmmm.

Those of Mooney's ideology and certain other leftwing pundits who call themselves by the handy title of just "merely secular on the side of science" have ironically been the ones in the forefront of faith-based junk science. Mooney for one imagines some grand Right Wing conspiracy about everything from an epidemic of Church Burnings (shown to be false), AIDS "exploding" into the hetero population (never happened, condom use or not) to global warming info "suppressed"(sic) by the "right wingers" now "attacking science."

Funny he should take the catty and lazy journalists way out of this problem. Actually not funny, since most journalists ARE, well...catty and lazy, and decide the best research is just make things up as they go along. Some, by contrast, have done the legwork, like Michael Fumento, who has commented frequently on the MSM's lack of knowledge about ESCs vs. ASCs, and how their gross distortions of the most basic facts is now the "mainstream" thought. Not content with distortion, now the MSM have taken to just labeling anything remotely identified with the whole Stem Cell "genre" in research as being of "Embryonic"---and nothing but Embryonic---derivation. Thus for example Fumento writes about some developments in one recent blog:

"I have written repeatedly on how the media have thrown in their lot with embryonic stem cells (ESCs), quite often to the point of simply ignoring advances with adult stem cells while grossly exaggerating "breakthroughs" with ESCs. But this takes the cake. In the Washington Post, Rick Weiss writes of German researchers finding stem cells in mice testes (Actually, he writes "Male mice testes" as if a whole lot of female mice have testicles) and quotes the researchers saying that they are so pliable that they may be able to do absolutely anything that ESC backers claim ESCs can do. Weiss's headline? ?Embryonic Stem Cell Success Aaaaaaargh!"

Worse yet, the MSM have not only confused the terms regarding what KIND of Stem Cells are being discussed (such as assigning the many noteworthy--about 80---successes in various treatments as being Embryonic when in fact they were actually Adult in origin), but they have mercilessly taken up the cause of misleading the public about amazing healing properties for everything from diabetes to spinal cord injuries. The lame shall soon walk, we are told, if only the non-existent "ban" on Embryonic Stem Cell Research is lifted and work gets under way. Along the way, left in tears and crestfallen disappointment, are the victims who're NOT being helped after all by Embryonic Stem Cell Research, year after year after year while others flatly lie about rats and spines and Embryonic stem cell performance.

The Left apparently has the main input these days for how the media is to respond to most anything and is the stomping ground of trial lawyers and government hacks anyhow, so actually no real surprises here. But they could yield a little more light on the subject, regardless of how they think about shredding human embryos apart for lackluster gains. And speaking of those idiotic polls--popular opinion is not science either. There are no aliens from Zeta Reticuli either, even if 57% of all Americans think so, and the Sun is a star even if only 44% of the public understands this. Likewise it is not trustworthy on another account, that being that the MSM (Main Stream Media) have whitewashed the problems of ESC, played loose with people's emotions, and have downplayed or simply ignored the numerous treatments that ADULT stem cells have provided for years without needing Federal tax money infusions pulled from the pockets of the unwilling.

Mooney and others can write sneer-snipes in Atlantic Monthly calling ASCs the "faith-based" science tripe of the Right, or claim it is "all about" abortion or faith all they like. But the irony here is overwhelming. While saying all this he indicates--against all the facts--his and his liberal compatriots OWN never-ending faith-based notions about ESCs miracle cures that have never materialized, and then blames the many problems of ESCs on the Republicans in Congress, or Bush being anti-science. And YET, ASCs are doing the real work, have done so for years, and are getting the private dollars rolling in. ESCs have produced nothing but hot air. And speaking of "faith-based" issues, ESC advocates have their own Church, with its own offering plate being passed around to reluctant citizens and pols, asking for Federal money.

I've given you the serious low down on stem cells of both types. Hopefully now when the MSM tries to paint more cartoons and caricatures to try and confuse you with making Superman and Nancy Reagan (former seer of the stars) the Seers of Science, you'll be somewhat wiser for the wear...

W.T

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I understand where these Christians are coming from. I understand that the advancement of technology is for the betterment of all human beings. Stem Cell Research can and will benefit many people's lives by improving their health and extending their life-span. But I still don't support the destruction of human embryos. I believe that embryos have are life and should not be destroyed. Yes, they might be wasted in the laboratories after many "in-vitro" fertilizations, but that brings us to the question- "Is in-vitro fertilization moral in the first place?" This is a very serious issue. We are messing with God's natural cycle (the way things are supposed to be). Destroying embryos is ultimately an immoral act and should not be supported by any Christian. If we want to advance in stem cell technologies for the betterment of all humans, we should focus on Adult Stem Cell research only.

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